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  A Question for Born-ins Who Had a Parent Leave the Cult Before They Did

  by jp1692 in

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  question: have any of you that are now exjws had a parent leave the religion before you, and you shunned them because of that?

  if so—and while you were still in the cult—what, if anything, could your parent have done to reach your heart and begin a reconciliation?

  it’s been almost ten years since i left the religion and my two sons continue to shun me and rebuff all efforts i make to reconcile.

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  My Mother left long before I did. Thinking back on it now, it was a bit of a role reversal and kinda makes me laugh. When I turned 18 she started listening to heavy metal, smoking pot, and had a boyfriend that she lived with.

  She never got DF'd but I always knew that if she was I would never shun her. I just could never do that. I was born into the religion and heavily indoctrinated. But I'm so happy that I had the presence of mind and the human decency to know the silent treatment is no way to treat those we love.

  If someone offered me a million dollars to never talk to my family again I would turn them down. If they offered me a medical treatment that would give me eternal youth but I could never see my family again - I would turn them down. And if they offered me a chance to live in a paradise but I had to forsake my family and watch them die in an apocalypse - I'd politely tell them to f*** off!
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  Is White Nationalism A Major Problem In Your Opinion?

  by minimus in

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  after seeing the atrocity in new zealand, do you think white nationalism is a major issue affecting you or where you live?.

  somebody already called out chelseaclinton, blaming her for the attack!

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  Do not fret my friend, nobody is trying to wipe out our culture/heritage/ancestry. Our nation is a culture of cultures. Like everything in life, it is transient and evolves over time. Colonialism gave way to the Victorian era. The Victorian era to the industrial age. The industrial age to the nuclear family. The nuclear family to the hippies. And the hippies (confoundingly) to the information age. Etc.

  The impact, importance, and history of our culture/heritage/ancestry is well preserved. In our books. In our films. And within each of us. Immigrants have shaped and changed our identity throughout the entire existence of the United States through a process of Hellenization. We extract the best parts - and jettison the rest. For multiculturalism doesn't mean equal value. But rather equal consideration.

  We have much to be proud of. Not as nationalists nor supremacists but as Americans. Because we don't just tolerate other cultures. We celebrate the best of in each of them.
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  Is White Nationalism A Major Problem In Your Opinion?

  by minimus in

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  after seeing the atrocity in new zealand, do you think white nationalism is a major issue affecting you or where you live?.

  somebody already called out chelseaclinton, blaming her for the attack!

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  Concerning the OP, I suppose it depends on what you mean by "major problem". In my opinion, I think Jihadism and lone "mass shooters" are a far bigger problem. And I think our governments resources have been rightly prioritized to address these threats.

  That being said, I do think White Nationalism is both dangerous and on the rise. I feel the same way about WN as I do about mainstream Islam - that is to say; the vast bulk White Nationalists are not terrorist. But it's unimaginably problematic that they often provide cover and fuel to those who do carry out these acts of hate, harm, and murder.
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  Climate Change - True Believer or Skeptic?

  by Simon in

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  climate change ... who doesn't believe it?

  crazy fools and science deniers ... right?.

  it seems like it's become the new religion, the new orthodoxy, that must be accepted and believed as gospel and preached to all.. is it ok to be skeptical?.

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  Why are we supposed to believe and just roll over when people shout "science denier" when the same people don't think babies are alive or that men and women are different?

  Please point me to a single person on here who has said that babies aren't alive. Oh, what's that, you can't because no one has EVER said that? Stop obfuscating and start addressing what people are actually saying. Your persistent "whataboutism" is getting tedious.
  
  
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  Climate Change - True Believer or Skeptic?

  by Simon in

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  climate change ... who doesn't believe it?

  crazy fools and science deniers ... right?.

  it seems like it's become the new religion, the new orthodoxy, that must be accepted and believed as gospel and preached to all.. is it ok to be skeptical?.

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  The warming is not unprecedented compared to anytime in history,
  -Simon

  I didn't say the warming was unprecedented. I said the rate of warming is unprecedented. And this is the problem. Our atmosphere and oceans have risen in temperature more over the past 100 years than it has in the past 100,000 years. The earth goes through natural cycles of warming and cooling - over geological spans. Not human lifetime spans.

  This is a problem because it doesn't give ecosystems time to adapt results in mass extinctions, desertification, and stronger and stronger weather systems (i.e. less habitable to humans).
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  Climate Change - True Believer or Skeptic?

  by Simon in

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  climate change ... who doesn't believe it?

  crazy fools and science deniers ... right?.

  it seems like it's become the new religion, the new orthodoxy, that must be accepted and believed as gospel and preached to all.. is it ok to be skeptical?.

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  The oceans have risen an average of 3 inches worldwide since the 1990s. This is demonstrable with measurable accuracy and is not contested by anyone in the field. Asserting that it must not be happening because you haven't personal noticed it is not a fair argument.

  https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2329/nasa-zeroes-in-on-ocean-rise-how-much-how-soon/

  And low lying cities are starting to see this. Miami is flooding more and more regularly. And sand has to be trucked in to build up it's beaches higher and higher. The longer this goes on for, the more problems with flooding were going to have from rising sea levels.
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  Climate Change - True Believer or Skeptic?

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  climate change ... who doesn't believe it?

  crazy fools and science deniers ... right?.

  it seems like it's become the new religion, the new orthodoxy, that must be accepted and believed as gospel and preached to all.. is it ok to be skeptical?.

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  Tobyjones,

  Yes, there were many predictions made in the early 70s about the problems with air quality. And, fortunate for those of us who are here today, our parents and grandparents didn't bury their heads in the sand saying "Well, you know it could be a liberal conspiracy." Here's what New Jersey looked like in the seventies:

  
  

  Here's a picture of Louisville KY in 1972:

  
  

  Go look up images of any metropolitan area in the 1970s and you'll see dark hazy smog. But do you know what else happened in the 1970s? The EPA was created!!! This is why our cities don't look like this anymore. Congress and the Executive took heed of what the scientists were saying and prevented a total disaster - which is the exact same thing US should be doing right now.
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  Climate Change - True Believer or Skeptic?

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  climate change ... who doesn't believe it?

  crazy fools and science deniers ... right?.

  it seems like it's become the new religion, the new orthodoxy, that must be accepted and believed as gospel and preached to all.. is it ok to be skeptical?.

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  The JWs use many cheap rhetorical tricks and ascribe to a dogmatic view of the world. I really don't see what all the hub-bub about "morph's law" is.

  If people are running around on this forum disparaging other peoples motives, using loaded language, or putting forth black and white thinking than it's wholly appropriate to call them out on it. Though, from a pragmatic point of view, I do agree we'd get a lot further with such folks if we actually pointed out the flaws in their position instead of simply asserting "you're sound like the Watchtower."
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  Climate Change - True Believer or Skeptic?

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  climate change ... who doesn't believe it?

  crazy fools and science deniers ... right?.

  it seems like it's become the new religion, the new orthodoxy, that must be accepted and believed as gospel and preached to all.. is it ok to be skeptical?.

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  Skepticism is a demand for evidence.

  If you want evidence that our oceans and atmosphere are warming at an unprecedented rate compared to anytime in history - then there are dozens and dozens of scientific papers I can point you to. And if you want evidence that releasing CO2 into our atmosphere is the driving cause of this temperature increase - then there are yet more scientific papers I can point you to.

  However, if the purpose of this thread is just for you to bash MSNBC - and for liberals to turn around and bash Fox News - then can we all just agree CNN sucks and be done with it?
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  North Korea official photos

  by neat blue dog in

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  official government photos:.

  hmmm.

  any thoughts?

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  When I was a JW this is the exact sort of thing that would have really bothered me. I remember going to a Rainbow Vacuum "sell our products" pitch and feeling incredibly awkward at how similar it was to a the weekly Book Study.